0000287: Creature Banks - every attack changes the quantity of guards

(0000359)
Warmonger (administrator)
2009-12-02 17:37

It's not a bug, it's a feature. To avoid save-load and kamikaze tactics.

(0000363)
Boulie (reporter)
2009-12-02 19:17

If it is not fully implemented, yet, so it can be marked as feature. But if banks are implemented fully (accept save/load) so it is a bug.
Org. H3 tactics is that you can attack banks with one hero see the guards, attack with second and destroy some guards ie with magic, and then attack main hero to kill the rest of the guards, and IMO it shouldn't be changed.
Even if I don't use this kind of tactic when I play ;)

(0000372)
Zamolxis (viewer)
2009-12-02 23:31

@Warmonger: was it like this in H3, as I don't remember?

It may prevent kamikaze tactics, but that's still a strategic choice (it's gonna cost you the 2500 you paid for the hero). However it won't avoid the annoying save-load tactic. On the contrary, people will save-load whenever they feel the random generator gave too many guards (for weak hero army), or too little (for uber hero army, hungry for experience).

(0000773)
Warmonger (administrator)
2010-03-05 12:01

Save-load is also not possible, as the number of guards is fixed and changes only AFTER battle.

(0000774)
Zamolxis (viewer)
2010-03-05 13:12

I'm not sure if I understand: you mean according to your code a number of defenders is appointed in the beginning of the game, it's unaltered by the save-load processes, but if somebody visits a bank and loses the battle, the number of defenders is reset randomly?

(0001319)
Warmonger (administrator)
2010-08-17 17:09

Yes, but the most important is that artifact is also randomized. Still, I'm going to restore original behaviour soon.

(0001320)
Warmonger (administrator)
2010-08-18 13:45

Fixed in r1758

(0001756)
Zamolxis (viewer)
2011-05-29 17:57

Checked in 0.84 and confirmed as fixed

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2009-12-02 16:27	Boulie	New Issue
2009-12-02 17:37	Warmonger	Note Added: 0000359
2009-12-02 17:37	Warmonger	Assigned To	Tow => Warmonger
2009-12-02 17:37	Warmonger	Status	assigned => acknowledged
2009-12-02 19:17	Boulie	Note Added: 0000363
2009-12-02 23:31	Zamolxis	Note Added: 0000372
2010-03-04 23:01	Zamolxis	Relationship added	related to 0000407
2010-03-04 23:03	Zamolxis	Summary	Creatures banks - every attack change the quantity of guards => Creature Banks - every attack changes the quantity of guards
2010-03-05 12:01	Warmonger	Note Added: 0000773
2010-03-05 13:12	Zamolxis	Note Added: 0000774
2010-08-06 08:56	Warmonger	Relationship added	related to 0000572
2010-08-17 17:09	Warmonger	Note Added: 0001319
2010-08-18 13:45	Warmonger	Note Added: 0001320
2010-08-18 13:45	Warmonger	Status	acknowledged => resolved
2010-08-18 13:45	Warmonger	Fixed in Version	=> 0.89
2010-08-18 13:45	Warmonger	Resolution	open => fixed
2011-05-29 17:57	Zamolxis	Note Added: 0001756
2011-05-29 17:57	Zamolxis	Status	resolved => closed

Notes
(0000359) Warmonger (administrator) 2009-12-02 17:37	It's not a bug, it's a feature. To avoid save-load and kamikaze tactics.

(0000363) Boulie (reporter) 2009-12-02 19:17	If it is not fully implemented, yet, so it can be marked as feature. But if banks are implemented fully (accept save/load) so it is a bug. Org. H3 tactics is that you can attack banks with one hero see the guards, attack with second and destroy some guards ie with magic, and then attack main hero to kill the rest of the guards, and IMO it shouldn't be changed. Even if I don't use this kind of tactic when I play ;)

(0000372) Zamolxis (viewer) 2009-12-02 23:31	@Warmonger: was it like this in H3, as I don't remember? It may prevent kamikaze tactics, but that's still a strategic choice (it's gonna cost you the 2500 you paid for the hero). However it won't avoid the annoying save-load tactic. On the contrary, people will save-load whenever they feel the random generator gave too many guards (for weak hero army), or too little (for uber hero army, hungry for experience).

(0000773) Warmonger (administrator) 2010-03-05 12:01	Save-load is also not possible, as the number of guards is fixed and changes only AFTER battle.

(0000774) Zamolxis (viewer) 2010-03-05 13:12	I'm not sure if I understand: you mean according to your code a number of defenders is appointed in the beginning of the game, it's unaltered by the save-load processes, but if somebody visits a bank and loses the battle, the number of defenders is reset randomly?

(0001319) Warmonger (administrator) 2010-08-17 17:09	Yes, but the most important is that artifact is also randomized. Still, I'm going to restore original behaviour soon.

(0001320) Warmonger (administrator) 2010-08-18 13:45	Fixed in r1758

(0001756) Zamolxis (viewer) 2011-05-29 17:57	Checked in 0.84 and confirmed as fixed